0001 1 IN THE COURT OF COMMON PLEAS 2 OF SUMMIT COUNTY, OHIO 3 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 4 CHARLES DeLOREAN, etc., 5 6 Plaintiff, 7 8 vs. Case No. 2009-05-3844 9 10 COPLEY HEALTH CENTER, et al., 11 12 Defendants. 13 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 14 Deposition of 15 KEITH B. ARMITAGE, M.D. 16 December 14, 2010 17 3:00 p.m. 18 Taken at: Rennillo Deposition & Discovery 19 100 Erieview Tower 20 1301 East Ninth Street 21 Cleveland, Ohio 22 23 24 25 Cynthia Sullivan, RPR 0002 1 APPEARANCES: 2 3 On behalf of the Plaintiff: 4 Mishkind Law Firm Co., by 5 DAVID A. KULWICKI, ESQ. 6 Skylight Office Tower, Suite 660 7 1660 West Second Street 8 Cleveland, Ohio 44113 9 (216) 241-2600 10 dkulwicki@mishkindlaw.com 11 12 On behalf of the Defendants: 13 Reminger Co., by 14 STEPHAN C. KREMER, ESQ. 15 200 Courtyard Square 16 80 South Summit Street 17 Akron, Ohio 44308 18 (330) 375-1311 19 skremer@reminger.com 20 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 21 22 23 24 25 0003 1 TRANSCRIPT INDEX 2 3 APPEARANCES............................... 2 4 5 INDEX OF EXHIBITS ........................ 4 6 7 EXAMINATION OF RAYMOND W. ROZMAN, JR., M.D.: 8 BY MR. KULWICKI........................... 5 9 10 REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE.................... 53 11 12 EXHIBIT CUSTODY 13 EXHIBITS RETAINED BY COURT REPORTER 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 0004 1 INDEX OF EXHIBITS 2 NUMBER DESCRIPTION MARKED 3 Exhibit 1 An August 3 Letter............ 7 4 Exhibit 2 A Curriculum Vitae............ 8 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 0005 1 KEITH B. ARMITAGE, M.D., of lawful age, 2 called for examination, as provided by the Ohio 3 Rules of Civil Procedure, being by me first 4 duly sworn, as hereinafter certified, deposed 5 and said as follows: 6 EXAMINATION OF KEITH B. ARMITAGE, M.D. 7 BY MR. KULWICKI: 8 Q. Doctor, kindly state your name and 9 spell your last name for the record. 10 A. Keith B. Armitage, A-R-M-I-T-A-G-E. 11 Q. Doctor, we're here to take your 12 deposition in the matter of Charles DeLorean, 13 Executor of the Estate of Shirley DeLorean, 14 versus Copley Health Center. I understand 15 you've been retained by Dr. Girard's counsel to 16 look into this matter, true? 17 A. Correct. 18 Q. Have you prepared any report based 19 on your findings, the findings from your 20 review? 21 A. No. 22 Q. In terms of the materials that you 23 reviewed, there is a letter here dated 24 August 3, 2010, from defense counsel, 25 Mr. Kremer, and it lists ten or so things. 0006 1 Would that be the full list of things that 2 you've reviewed in this matter? 3 A. No. I've reviewed what's on that 4 page, and then since then I think I was sent 5 the depositions of the daughter and the husband 6 and then of two plaintiff's experts and one 7 defense expert. 8 Q. Was the defense expert, was it 9 Dr. Rozman or Dr. Newman? 10 A. Dr. Newman. 11 Q. Do you know both Drs. Newman and 12 Rozman? 13 A. I know Dr. Rozman. He was a 14 resident a couple years ahead of me back in the 15 day. There was a period of time in the early 16 '90s when we would send residents over to the 17 clinic for outpatient rotations, and Dr. Newman 18 was very interested in education. I spoke to 19 her on the phone a couple times more than ten 20 years ago. I don't think I've ever met her. 21 Q. There are a number of other 22 physicians involved in this matter as treating 23 physicians, and I'll just list a few: 24 Dr. Girard, Dr. Clavecilla, Dr. Ford, 25 Dr. Miller, Dr. Chandukar, Dr. Simon. Do you 0007 1 know any of those physicians by chance? 2 A. I don't. 3 Q. Plaintiff's expert is a doctor by 4 the name of Ciaran Kelly at Harvard Medical 5 School. Do you know Dr. Kelly either 6 professionally or through his literature? 7 A. Just through this case. 8 Q. Then there is another plaintiff's 9 expert by the name of Erik Dubberke who has not 10 been deposed, and we actually withdrew him. Do 11 you know Dr. Dubberke by any chance? 12 A. I don't. 13 Q. Did you do any research in 14 preparation for today's deposition? 15 A. I did not, not specifically for 16 this case. I've written a few chapters on 17 C. diff and I've given a lot of lectures on 18 C. diff, so I have a lot of articles, but 19 nothing specific to this case. 20 Q. With regard to your chapters on 21 C. diff, can you just identify what those are? 22 We'll mark your CV as Exhibit 2. We'll mark 23 the August 3 letter as Exhibit 1. 24 - - - - - 25 (Thereupon, Deposition Exhibit 1, an 0008 1 August 3 Letter, was marked for 2 purposes of identification.) 3 - - - - - 4 - - - - - 5 (Thereupon, Deposition Exhibit 2, a 6 Curriculum Vitae, was marked for 7 purposes of identification.) 8 - - - - - 9 MR. KREMER: I'm sorry, Dave, what 10 was Exhibit 1? 11 MR. KULWICKI: One is the August 3 12 letter. Exhibit 2 is the CV. 13 MR. KREMER: I think that might be 14 multiple letters. 15 MR. KULWICKI: Yes. I'm just going 16 to mark the August 3. 17 MR. KREMER: You're not marking the 18 rest of them? 19 MR. KULWICKI: No, I'm not. 20 A. I marked three chapters having to 21 do with gastroenteritis. I know in this one I 22 did a lot of writing on C. diff. 23 Q. Is that numbered in any way? It's 24 the first one on page what? 25 A. I'll number them one, two, three. 0009 1 Number two was the one that had the most about 2 C. diff. 3 Q. In terms of those chapters, are 4 they all devoted exclusively to C. diff, or 5 they just cover the topic? 6 A. The number two, probably a third of 7 the chapter was on C. diff. The other two just 8 covered the topic, I believe. I'm only 9 positive that number two had a lot about 10 C. diff. 11 Q. In your practice do you endorse the 12 concept of the empiric use of antibiotics to 13 treat C. diff under appropriate circumstances? 14 A. I do, but I think the paradigm is 15 changing, and the changing paradigm is 16 primarily related to what is called -- what we 17 call the epidemic strain. I think previously 18 people would have a patient they suspected who 19 had C. diff test for the presence of C. diff 20 and treat it as positive. 21 Most of my time is in an acute care 22 setting, and in that setting if we have a 23 reasonably strong suspicion, we treat before 24 the test comes back. If we have a mild 25 suspicion, we don't. I guess if you have 0010 1 moderate suspicion, it's variable, but if there 2 is a strong suspicion in an acute care setting. 3 But I think that approach is 4 evolving, and I think that infectious disease 5 and GI doctors are probably more aware that 6 that's an evolving issue than nonspecialists. 7 Q. In terms of the evolution of that 8 standard of care that you just described, is it 9 your testimony or will it be your testimony at 10 trial that it was different back in -- I can't 11 remember when this case arose. 12 A. 2007, I think. 13 Q. Was it different in 2007 than it is 14 today? 15 A. Yeah. I think there is a lot of -- 16 I mean, I've been asked in depositions how I 17 define the standard of care, and I guess it's 18 what a reasonably prudent, qualified physician 19 would do under similar circumstances. 20 As someone who has a real interest 21 in C. diff and reads a lot about it and works 22 in an acute care setting versus the community 23 and where we talk about it a lot and we have 24 people at Case Western who I work with who did 25 research on it, I think it's clear, you know, 0011 1 for someone with my background I would expect 2 that approach. 3 I think even now among community 4 doctors this paradigm shift hasn't made it all 5 the way out to every community doctor and 6 certainly not in 2007. 7 Q. Would you agree with the notion 8 that doctors that are in a setting where the 9 risk for C. diff is highest ought to be 10 particularly aware of the signs, symptoms, and 11 treatment of the condition? 12 MR. KREMER: Objection. Go ahead 13 and answer. 14 A. Well, I think that infectious 15 disease doctors in this acute care setting 16 certainly have that awareness, and my 17 observation is that doctors who have been 18 practicing a while in nursing homes don't see 19 that much C. diff and are not attuned to 20 C. diff issues the same way doctors who are in 21 the acute care setting are. 22 Q. In terms of Copley Health Center, 23 you used the term nursing home. Is it an 24 appropriate description of that facility as a 25 nursing home? 0012 1 A. Yeah. You could call it a skilled 2 nursing home, nursing home rehab facility. Any 3 of those would work, yeah. 4 Q. Have you done any primary care work 5 in a nursing home setting or in consultation 6 like Dr. Girard was with patients who are in a 7 nursing home setting yourself? 8 A. I have. 9 Q. Tell me what nursing homes. 10 A. Not a ton. As you know, I work at 11 University Hospital, and we have a SNF on our 12 campus. 13 There was a period of time in the 14 mid '90s when they lacked physicians to cover 15 those patients, and there was a colleague of 16 mine who was -- there was two of us in the 17 department of medicine who were asked by our 18 chairman, you know, for, you know, additional 19 compensation if we would do additional work and 20 take care of patients in Hanna House, patients 21 who didn't have doctors, and I did that for a 22 number of years in the mid '90s. I certainly 23 haven't done that, that role, for ten years. 24 I do consult in Hanna House quite 25 frequently. Again, it's a skilled nursing unit 0013 1 that's adjacent to an acute care hospital, so 2 consultants are available. 3 Then I have a couple patients, one 4 patient right now, in a nursing home. It's a 5 complex patient. The nurses in the nursing 6 home page me about three times a week about 7 this patient, and it's kind of a special 8 patient that I've followed since 1992. I don't 9 have a lot of patients in nursing homes. 10 Q. When you mentioned your 11 consultations with respect to patients in the 12 Hanna House currently, is that where a 13 physician who is primarily caring for the 14 patient would consult with you? 15 A. That's correct. Sometimes there is 16 patients that I'll be following either as the 17 primary doctor or as a consultant who go from 18 the acute care to the rehab setting, and then 19 we'll go and see them, and sometimes we get 20 consulted primarily in the skilled nursing 21 setting to go see patients. 22 Q. In this case will you be offering 23 an opinion regarding the cause of 24 Mrs. DeLorean's death? 25 A. I will. 0014 1 Q. Is it your opinion that her C. diff 2 infection contributed in any fashion to her 3 death? 4 A. Well, I would answer the question 5 this way: I think that she became septic and 6 had an arrest, and given her age and her risk 7 factors, her doing poorly after an arrest, 8 particularly her BMI, she didn't recover from 9 the arrest. 10 I think the arrest was precipitated 11 by sepsis from candida, and the role of C. diff 12 is unclear. The association between the 13 C. diff and the candidemia is unclear to me. I 14 can't exclude an association, but I don't think 15 anybody can say to a reasonable degree of 16 medical certainty there is a direct 17 association. 18 Q. Do you have an opinion as to 19 whether she acquired the candidemia in -- well, 20 strike that. 21 Do you have an opinion to a 22 reasonable degree of medical probability as to 23 whether she acquired the candida infection in 24 Akron General Medical Center, or did she have 25 it before she was transferred to that hospital? 0015 1 A. Well, you know, all human beings 2 carry candida in their system, but I don't 3 think it became an infection until she went to 4 Akron General. 5 Q. So do you think more likely than 6 not she was colonized with candida prior to the 7 Akron General admission? 8 A. Definitely, as are 99 percent of 9 human beings. 10 Q. Is that infection a so-called 11 opportunistic infection that tends to become a 12 problem once the host is compromised in some 13 fashion? 14 A. I think in general that's a true 15 statement, but most commonly you see that in 16 patients who have no neutrophils. So, for 17 instance, even in AIDS patients, I take care of 18 a lot of AIDS patients in the inpatient 19 setting, and they can be highly 20 immunocompromised and they don't get 21 candidemia, but if you wipe out someone's white 22 cells like with chemotherapy, then that is a 23 common setting. Most commonly we see 24 candidemia in hospitalized patients with 25 central lines, abdominal surgery, that sort of 0016 1 thing. 2 Her case is a bit unique in that 3 she didn't have classic risk factors for 4 candidemia. But if you look at the blood 5 cultures, she had one around 11:00 a.m. on the 6 15th, one after 4:00 on the 15th, and they both 7 grew candida which really implies a persistent 8 high grade fungal sepsis that, you know, seems 9 very unlikely that would be a contaminant with 10 these blood cultures drawn five hours apart, 11 and it's an unusual case. 12 Q. Unusual in what sense? 13 A. She's not the typical patient that 14 I would see with fungal sepsis. More typically 15 they are patients who have central lines, been 16 in the hospital for a little bit longer, that 17 have abdominal surgery, diabetics. But the 18 fact of the matter is she had two blood 19 cultures that grew candida drawn the day that 20 she had that arrest. 21 And the arrest, she didn't have the 22 kind of arrest where you would see someone have 23 a progressive downhill course from C. diff 24 towards an arrest. She had more of an acute 25 event that's more typical for, you know, a 0017 1 septic picture, bacteremia or fungemia. 2 Q. At the time of her admission to 3 Akron General when she was diagnosed with a 4 supraventricular tachycardia, do you attribute 5 that to her C. diff infection? 6 A. I don't think so. 7 Q. What do you think was the cause of 8 that? 9 A. I don't know. I think she had -- 10 on the 12th when she went to the emergency room 11 she had C. diff. I think the CAT scan showed 12 some thickening of the colon. She didn't have 13 pseudomembranous colitis. You can actually 14 make a diagnosis of pseudomembranous colitis on 15 a CAT scan. The findings are pretty 16 pathognomonic. 17 When she was seen in the ER on the 18 12th, her white count was really just minimally 19 elevated, her abdominal exam seemed pretty 20 benign, and on the 12th there was really no 21 evidence of, you know, severe C. diff systemic 22 in terms of the super high white counts you see 23 with C. diff, metabolic acidosis, lack of bowel 24 sounds, concerning abdominal exam. So it 25 wasn't the kind of acute, more critical 0018 1 presentation from C. diff that I think would 2 trigger a cardiac arrhythmia. 3 Patients, you know, can have SVT 4 who are completely healthy. You know, it's a 5 -- you can just have an area of the heart that 6 triggers a rapid cycle, and I think she had 7 narrow complex supraventricular tachycardia, 8 not clear what triggered it. 9 Q. Can sepsis cause an SVT? 10 A. Sepsis can cause an SVT, and a 11 sinus tach of, you know, 130, 140, 150, 160, 12 170, 180 in a septic patient is extremely 13 concerning, and when its sinus tach from 14 sepsis, that's a very concerning finding. This 15 was a cardiac arrhythmia and not the type of 16 arrhythmia that you would strongly associate 17 with sepsis like you would sinus tach. 18 You can have a cardiac arrhythmia 19 like that in a variety of settings, and I 20 wouldn't necessarily say it was sepsis. Again, 21 I don't recall exactly her vital signs. I'm 22 not sure she met any criteria for sepsis on the 23 13th other than her white count and her pulse. 24 I guess if you attribute her pulse due to 25 infection, then she would meet septic criteria. 0019 1 But she wasn't -- you know, people 2 use the word sepsis differently. She wasn't so 3 sick on the 12th that the ER doctor gave her 4 any antibiotics at all. So if you have someone 5 that the clinician thinks is septic, they 6 usually get treated. People have a pretty low 7 trigger for giving antibiotics in this day and 8 age. 9 Q. Well, let's make sure that we're on 10 the same page. I think I actually used sepsis 11 the right way. Do you define sepsis as meeting 12 the criteria for SIRS due to an infectious 13 cause? 14 A. Yeah, I do, but that definition 15 comes up most often in these settings. If you 16 go out to the community, doctors use the term 17 sepsis in three or four different ways. I try 18 to teach our residents and students what the 19 official definition for sepsis is, but people 20 use it very loosely, particularly people who 21 have been out of training for ten years or 22 more. 23 Q. In terms of the way you're supposed 24 to use it or the modern definition of sepsis, 25 is it SIRS due to an infectious cause? 0020 1 A. Correct. 2 Q. In terms of SIRS, it's my 3 understanding that you meet the criteria for 4 SIRS if you have two out of the four criteria 5 for SIRS; is that correct? 6 A. That's correct. We had a couple of 7 cases of influenza reported in our hospitals. 8 If you have influenza, you will meet the 9 criteria for sepsis because it's a pretty broad 10 definition. 11 Q. Right. You said that she did not 12 have pseudomembranous colitis. Tell me why you 13 feel that way. 14 A. Well, to the best of my 15 recollection, she never had an endoscopy. I've 16 discussed this many times with our 17 radiologists, that you can see pseudomembranes 18 on a CAT scan. She had colitis. There is no 19 doubt she had colitis. But a CAT scan is a 20 pretty sensitive tool for detecting 21 pseudomembranes, and it's actually a very 22 specific finding; that is, there are not too 23 many things that give you pseudomembranes. 24 I've seen patients where we did a 25 CAT scan because of concerns for whatever 0021 1 reason where I've gone over the films with the 2 radiologist, and they said, yeah, this is 3 pseudomembranes and there ain't anything else 4 that looks like this. 5 So there is a spectrum of C. diff, 6 and colitis is on one part of the spectrum and 7 pseudomembranous colitis is at another part of 8 the spectrum, and I don't think there is any 9 objective evidence that she ever had 10 pseudomembranous colitis although she 11 definitely had colitis. 12 Q. Did you look at the CAT scan films 13 yourself? 14 A. I did not. 15 Q. In a clinical setting, do you 16 typically look at CAT scan films in a patient 17 with suspected C. diff, or do you simply rely 18 on the report of the radiologist? 19 A. Both. In our modern hospitals now, 20 they have digital radiology, so especially in a 21 teaching hospital we look at things with the 22 residents. Typically what I do is in a 23 challenging case I go to radiology and look at 24 it with the radiologist, and I look at CAT 25 scans of the abdomen, but I usually rely on the 0022 1 radiologist's interpretation. 2 Q. The CAT scan in this case, if I 3 recall correctly, reports that pseudomembranous 4 colitis is in the radiologist's differential. 5 Is that your recollection as well? 6 A. You know, I don't know if he said 7 that or not, but if he did, then I think he's 8 used the terms interchangeably, just colitis 9 and C. diff. To me they did not describe 10 pseudomembranes. Pseudomembranes is a pretty 11 specific finding. 12 Again, I didn't look at the films, 13 I haven't asked a highly regarded radiologist 14 who specializes in CT to look at the films, but 15 I read the description. To me it sounds like 16 there was a thickened wall of the colon which 17 in my view is not pseudomembranous colitis. 18 Pseudomembranes is very specific and, as I 19 said, a pretty unique finding. 20 Q. When you say specific and unique, 21 does that mean it's diagnostic for a C. diff 22 infection? 23 A. When you have a CAT scan and you 24 see pseudomembranes, it's pretty strongly 25 suggestive of C. diff. So it's not absolutely 0023 1 diagnostic, but it can be very, very 2 suggestive. 3 Q. We talked about another term 4 earlier, empiric treatment, and I probably 5 ought to have you define that just so I make 6 sure that we're communicating. 7 A. I think in general when people use 8 the term empiric treatment in the infectious 9 disease world they mean giving an antibiotic 10 before you are sure of the diagnosis or before 11 you're sure of the infecting organism. 12 So in this case, for instance, 13 after her arrest, they did give her broad 14 spectrum antibiotics because they thought she 15 was septic. There was no specific reason for 16 them to think she had fungal sepsis, and she 17 didn't get any fungal therapy. 18 Q. In terms of the progression of 19 C. diff, are there certain steps in the 20 progression of untreated C. diff that will put 21 a patient at a worse prognosis as the disease 22 progresses? 23 A. Can I say one more thing about the 24 CAT scan? 25 Q. Sure. 0024 1 A. The radiologist said diffuse colon 2 wall thickness may be diverticulitis, 3 pseudomembranous colitis, or ischemia. In my 4 view if you see pseudomembranes, it's not 5 ischemia and it's not diverticulitis, so I 6 think the radiologist is just using the term 7 differently than I do. 8 Diffuse wall thickening, I've seen 9 CAT scans of pseudomembranous colitis where you 10 actually see the pseudomembranes separate from 11 the wall anyway. 12 I apologize. If you can, repeat 13 the question. 14 Q. That's fine. No worries. So 15 ischemic bowel would be a medical emergency; 16 wouldn't it? 17 A. It can. It can require -- I mean, 18 typically, you try to reverse the cause of 19 ischemia and get a surgeon involved to see if 20 in their judgment the patient requires removal 21 of that portion. I mean, not every patient 22 with ischemic bowel needs surgery. If they 23 have dead bowel, then they definitely do. 24 Q. If the radiologist can't 25 distinguish between ischemic bowel and 0025 1 pseudomembranous colitis -- and I forget what 2 the third potential was. 3 A. Diverticulitis. 4 Q. Diverticulitis. What kind of 5 medical specialist would be better suited at 6 interpreting that film to try to narrow down 7 what the actual finding is? 8 A. I mean, I think a radiologist is 9 the one who would describe the film, a 10 radiologist who is experienced and specializes 11 in CT radiography of the abdomen. But I would 12 -- I'm not sure. I'm not sure who I would 13 defer to. I feel like I have expertise in 14 C. diff, and in terms of understanding the 15 context of the findings, I wouldn't defer. 16 Q. How many C. diff cases have you 17 been involved with personally over your career? 18 A. I haven't kept track. I'm sure 19 it's more than 100. I mean, I had a patient 20 hospitalized last week. I get a lot of 21 outpatient referrals for C. diff. C. diff, 22 it's a unique infection in many ways, but one 23 of the things that is most unique about it is 24 its tendency to have multiple relapses, and 25 almost all of those patients get sent to our 0026 1 clinic. 2 I think, since I've been at the 3 hospital so long and I'm well known, I get a 4 lot of C. diff cases sent to me in the 5 outpatient setting, and then I see a lot in the 6 hospital. 7 Q. In terms of consultations, is it 8 appropriate for a primary care physician to 9 consult a GI physician or an ID doc like 10 yourself interchangeably? Are either of those 11 specialists competent to treat the condition? 12 A. See, that is an interesting 13 question. I think they are. Again, I'm biased 14 that certainly in our institution I think it's 15 the ID doctors who have a greater academic 16 interest in C. diff, who do research in 17 C. diff, and publish and give grand rounds on 18 C. diff. There are certainly other 19 institutions where the GI doctors do that. 20 I think, in the environment I work 21 in, typically infectious disease doctors are 22 consulted for management issues on patients 23 with C. diff, and gastroenterologists are 24 typically not consulted for a narrow issue with 25 C. diff unless it's for an endoscopy, but I 0027 1 know that's not the case in every institution. 2 Q. Have you given or prescribed 3 antibiotics to be given rectally in a patient 4 with C. diff who is having difficulty keeping 5 oral antibiotics down? 6 A. I've given vancomycin. 7 Q. What is the utility of that? 8 A. If a patient with C. diff has an 9 ileus and lacks adequate peristalsis, oral 10 vancomycin may not make it to the colon. We've 11 treated patients with severe refractory C. diff 12 who just don't seem to be responding to 13 IV Flagyl, PO vancomycin. 14 There is a lot of interest now in 15 therapies in C. diff because, especially with 16 this epidemic strain, there are patients that 17 just don't respond to appropriate therapy. I 18 had a patient once on IV vancomycin, PO 19 vancomycin, and PR vancomycin for different 20 reasons. If it came in any other routes, I 21 would have used it. I haven't used rectal 22 vancomycin too many times. 23 Q. Have you had any patients undergo 24 surgery for C. diff? 25 A. I have. 0028 1 Q. Tell me under what circumstances 2 that's indicated. 3 A. Patients typically get surgery for 4 C. diff for toxic megacolon, and there is not a 5 lot of clear guidelines on when you operate. I 6 always tell our residents and students if a 7 patient would die without an operation, then 8 you operate. If they would live without the 9 operation, you don't do the operation. 10 There are patients who have severe 11 colitis who we bring back with no operation, 12 and there are patients who die of C. diff who 13 perhaps in retrospect, you know, someone might 14 have operated on. But it's hard to predict 15 which patients are going to need an operation, 16 and ultimately it's a surgeon's judgment issue. 17 But in my practice patients who I think have 18 severe C. diff, we do imaging studies, and if 19 the imaging studies raise concern for toxic 20 megacolon, we consult surgery. 21 Q. In terms of this epidemic strain, 22 is it your opinion that Mrs. DeLorean had the 23 epidemic strain? 24 A. It is not. I don't know which 25 strain she had, but it didn't seem to be 0029 1 particularly aggressive. 2 Q. Do you have an opinion as to 3 whether or not Dr. Girard's handling of her 4 involvement with Mrs. DeLorean fell within 5 accepted standards of care? 6 A. I do. 7 Q. What is your opinion? 8 A. That it did. 9 Q. That it? 10 A. That it did. 11 Q. Why do you feel that way? 12 A. Well, I think among doctors who 13 worked in nursing homes certainly in 2007 and, 14 you know, we could argue about 2010, but I 15 think in 2007 the standard of care for 16 suspected C. diff did not require initiation of 17 empiric therapy. 18 It's interesting in this case, I 19 mean, the experts on the plaintiff's side were 20 not critical of Dr. Ford, were not critical of 21 the doctors at Akron General, but they were 22 only critical of Dr. Girard, I'm not sure why, 23 for not starting the C. diff therapy. 24 Number one, in my opinion the 25 standard of care -- again, I feel like in 0030 1 talking about C. diff, you know, the old saying 2 is everything looks like -- to a carpenter 3 everything looks like a nail. So as an ID 4 doctor, as someone with an interest in C. diff 5 where it's a large part of my practice, you 6 know, I may have a different approach, but 7 clearly in 2007 the standard of care didn't 8 require empiric therapy when it was suspected. 9 I think that Dr. Girard had two 10 choices, either send the patient to the ER or 11 temporize. I think she relied on the nurses to 12 describe the clinical acuity of the patient, 13 and I think that -- I think Dr. Kelly is a 14 little naive thinking that she was going to go 15 see the patient. Typically, nursing home 16 doctors rely on the nurses to give them a 17 clinical picture and send them to the ER. 18 I work in an acute care setting. I 19 get a lot of patients like that who get 20 admitted to me or come to our ER. I used to 21 work in the ER a little bit. I guess 22 Dr. Kelly, my recollection was he was mildly 23 critical of the Imodium but didn't think it 24 made a difference, so I guess that's a 25 nonissue. 0031 1 Q. Do you agree with that with respect 2 to the Imodium? 3 A. I agree it did not make a 4 difference. 5 Q. Do you in your practice use Imodium 6 in patients who are suspected of having 7 C. diff? 8 A. In my practice I use Imodium in 9 patients with C. diff, and there is literature 10 now about that. 11 Q. In terms of the other caregivers 12 here, are you critical of Dr. Ford in any 13 respect in terms of the standard of care? 14 A. No. 15 Q. How about with respect to the 16 nursing staff at Copley Health Center? 17 A. You know, the nurses, plaintiff's 18 expert seemed to detail a lot of issues with 19 their documentation, and I haven't seen a 20 rebuttal from a defense nursing expert, so I 21 wouldn't give a standard of care opinion. 22 There did seem -- you know, there was issues 23 pointed out from the nurses plaintiff's expert. 24 Q. In a setting like this, if you were 25 in Dr. Girard's shoes and you got a call about 0032 1 a patient at a skilled nursing facility who had 2 diarrhea and the nursing staff related to you 3 that someone like a Dr. Ford had ordered a 4 C. diff assay, in a situation like that is 5 there certain information that you'd want to 6 know in order to decide whether or not this 7 patient needed to be transferred to an ER to be 8 seen or whether to begin empiric therapy or 9 what action to take? 10 A. I would expect the nurse to tell me 11 if the patient had abnormal vital signs, and I 12 would ask the nurse how does the patient look? 13 Does she look sick? I would expect nurses who 14 work in nursing homes to tell you. 15 I think, you know, for the nurses 16 and for the doctor, the easiest thing to do is 17 to send the patient to the ER, but it's not in 18 the patient's best interest to be sent to the 19 ER when they don't need it, so you try to make 20 a judgment call, and I'll leave it at that. 21 Q. In a patient in a scenario like 22 that, a patient has diarrhea for a day or so 23 and they have ordered a C. diff assay, would 24 you want to get a CBC on that patient to see 25 what the white count looks like? 0033 1 A. You know, if I was -- if I thought 2 the patient needed a CBC, that might be the 3 patient I would send to the ER if I thought 4 they were that sick. Again, it's a little hard 5 for me to compare what I would do again because 6 I'm -- I believe I have an interest in C. diff 7 and talk about it a lot versus a non-infectious 8 disease doctor. 9 Typically, in the acute care 10 setting, we get CBCs every day on every 11 patient. But a CBC can be important when you 12 suspect C. diff in an acute care setting 13 because a white count of over 30,000 is very, 14 very suggestive of C. diff. 15 I'm not critical of Dr. Girard. I 16 think the patient did get labs. I forget what 17 date she got labs at Copley. It was around 18 that time, yeah. 19 MR. KULWICKI: I forget what I 20 asked. What was my last question? 21 (Record read.) 22 A. It looks like she had labs that 23 day, but not a CBC, and so I'll leave it at 24 that. 25 Q. What were the labs that were drawn 0034 1 that day? 2 A. It looks like she got a chemistry 3 profile that was done on Friday, 5-11. Again, 4 her BUN was slightly elevated. Her albumin was 5 3.3. Again, severe hypoalbuminemia is 6 something you see in severe C. diff. 7 Q. What is 3.3? 8 A. 3.3 is slightly low. It's not 9 unusual for a hospitalized patient. It looks 10 like Dr. Ford ordered the lab test. 11 Q. In terms of the care at Akron 12 General Medical Center during the ER stay, do 13 you have any criticism of any care that was 14 provided there? 15 A. No, not from a standard of care 16 standpoint. You know, again, I guess I was 17 surprised that they didn't initiate C. diff 18 therapy earlier once they had the CAT scan that 19 showed colitis. 20 Q. Let's take it from there. Any 21 criticism of not starting empiric therapy when 22 the CT scan results were available and the 23 patient was transferred to the floor under the 24 care of Dr. Miller? 25 A. I would have started C. diff 0035 1 therapy at that time, and I guess I was 2 surprised that I think Dr. Kelly was not 3 critical since he's an expert, he's a 4 plaintiff's expert critical of Dr. Girard. 5 I think that, you know, some of it 6 depends upon what the ER doctor told 7 Dr. Miller, what the communication was, and I 8 don't have that information. I don't have 9 enough information to give an answer more than 10 that. 11 Q. Why would you have started it under 12 those circumstances? 13 A. I think in a patient who is 14 suspected of having C. diff where the CT scan 15 shows colitis, again, as an infectious disease 16 doctor with an interest in C. diff, I would 17 have started C. diff therapy. 18 It's a little hard for me to 19 comment on Dr. Miller as a standard of care 20 issue because I feel like I have, you know, an 21 interest in C. diff and also I think am more 22 aware that the paradigm of treating has changed 23 more towards empiric treatment. 24 Q. In terms of Dr. Miller's handling 25 of this patient's care, should he have at any 0036 1 point in time gotten either a GI consult or ID 2 consult? 3 A. It looks like he did get an ID 4 consult. 5 Q. When was that? 6 A. It looks like on the 15th. 7 Q. How about before that, do you think 8 he should have consulted with somebody? 9 A. No. I think if the patient has 10 nausea and vomiting and isn't able to take PO, 11 the primary therapeutic modality is IV Flagyl, 12 and I don't think that there were other 13 treatment options that either GI or ID could 14 have come up with at that point on the 13th or 15 the 14th. 16 Q. Forgive me, is IV Flagyl an 17 appropriate treatment for C. diff? 18 A. It's a question that I bang my head 19 about all the time. Metronidazole, Flagyl has 20 almost 100 percent oral viability. So in my 21 mind whether you give it PO or IV, it's the 22 same drug. Patients that have severe C. diff 23 or patients that have C. diff with nausea and 24 vomiting, I give them IV Flagyl, and I think it 25 works the same as PO Flagyl. For the sickest 0037 1 patients with C. diff, we give oral vancomycin 2 and IV Flagyl both. 3 Q. Would you agree that her age was a 4 risk factor for a C. diff infection? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Would you agree that her recent use 7 of clindamycin was a risk factor for C. diff 8 infection? 9 A. It was. Again, typically we think 10 of C. diff in patients who take longer courses 11 of antibiotics, but she had been -- yeah, so it 12 was. 13 Q. Isn't clindamycin a particular 14 antibiotic or an antibiotic that is 15 particularly associated with C. diff 16 infections? 17 A. That's an interesting question 18 because, again, if you ask a physician who was 19 trained more than ten years ago and you say the 20 word clindamycin, the first thing they think of 21 is C. diff. 22 The most recent studies looking at 23 risk factors for C. diff, particularly the 24 epidemic strain, shows that there are several 25 classes of antibiotics that are more often 0038 1 associated with C. diff, the quinolones and the 2 cephalosporins, but there is an association 3 between clindamycin going back to the 1970s 4 when there weren't that many drugs that 5 affected the normal flora, and clindamycin was 6 around then, so clindamycin has been associated 7 with C. diff. 8 Q. How many different antibiotics are 9 there? 10 A. I don't know. You know, there is 11 not enough, let me tell you. We're running 12 into problems with some bugs. But there is not 13 that many classes. I mean, for instance, there 14 is a whole ton of cephalosporins, but it's just 15 one class. There is a lot of quinolones, but 16 it's just one class. 17 Q. Can we agree that being in a 18 skilled nurse facility like Copley Health 19 Center is a risk factor for a C. diff 20 infection? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. Besides those three that we 23 mentioned, what other risk factors are there 24 for the illness? 25 A. Patients who are immunosuppressed 0039 1 tend to do worse with C. diff, patients with 2 some kind of immune dysfunction. I think being 3 in an acute care setting or a chronic care 4 setting and being on antibiotics are risk 5 factors. 6 Q. In your experience is there 7 anything about the odor or consistency of 8 diarrhea associated with C. diff that makes it 9 stand out or increases your suspicion for 10 C. diff? 11 A. I have certainly heard from 12 multiple nurses that there are some patients 13 where there is a characteristic odor and 14 appearance. I would answer the question this 15 way: I think there are patients where 16 experienced nurses really identify the 17 appearance and the odor as typical for C. diff. 18 Not every patient with C. diff has that, 19 however. 20 Q. Understood. When you are taking a 21 history or talking to a nurse about a patient 22 that they suspect may have C. diff, do you 23 inquire about that, the odor and the 24 consistency? 25 A. Nurses usually volunteer it. So, 0040 1 you know, that usually comes up that way. 2 Q. Have you worked in a setting where 3 the nursing staff didn't have much experience 4 with C. diff; in other words, there weren't 5 very many C. diff infections, if any? 6 A. You know, again, most of my time is 7 spent in an acute care hospital. I don't -- 8 the nursing homes that I'm familiar with that 9 are not the one located on our hospital campus, 10 I don't know how much experience they have, so 11 I'm not sure. I don't know. 12 Q. When you're dealing with a nurse 13 that either isn't experienced with a particular 14 condition or you don't know about their 15 experience level, is that a time where you want 16 to ask more questions or you have a 17 responsibility to ask more questions as the 18 attending physician or consulting physician? 19 A. I mean, I think you ask questions 20 based upon the clinical presentation. I think 21 on the appearance of the stool, I think if the 22 nurse doesn't volunteer, it's unlikely they are 23 going to have an opinion. 24 Q. Do you have an estimate of the 25 number of times that you have been consulted by 0041 1 the Reminger law firm in medical-legal matters? 2 A. I don't. 3 Q. Has it been more than 50? 4 A. I haven't kept track. There is a 5 lot of Remingers around, you know, in Ohio. 6 There is Remingers in Columbus and Cincinnati 7 and Akron and Canton and Sandusky and 8 Cleveland. It's probably more than ten. I 9 wouldn't think it's more than 50, but I don't 10 know. 11 Q. Have you testified in a C. diff 12 case in the past? 13 A. I have. 14 Q. How many times? 15 A. To the best of my recollection, 16 I've only testified in court in two cases, but 17 maybe three. 18 Q. Do you remember was it on behalf of 19 the defense or plaintiff? 20 A. I know I've testified in one 21 plaintiff's case and one or two defense cases. 22 Q. Do you remember who the plaintiff's 23 lawyer was in the case involving C. diff? 24 A. I don't. 25 Q. Do you know where that was? 0042 1 A. It was in Maryland. 2 Q. Do you remember anything about that 3 Maryland case in terms of the physicians 4 involved or the hospital or the counsel that 5 were involved? 6 A. The only thing I remember with that 7 case is it was an elderly, debilitated patient 8 who had been in the hospital and who had 9 diarrhea, and instead of thinking about 10 C. diff, he got more antibiotics, and a week or 11 two later he was admitted to the hospital, so 12 it was a pretty long time course. 13 Q. I have read that there are a number 14 of different tests for C. diff toxin and that 15 they have varying degrees of -- 16 A. Sensitivity. 17 Q. -- sensitivity. Thank you. They 18 also have varying degrees of how quickly you 19 can turn around the test result. 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. In your experience is it typical or 22 is it acceptable, let's say, for it to take a 23 couple of days to get a C. diff test result 24 back in a setting like this? 25 A. You know, in my entire career I've 0043 1 never seen a C. diff ordered stat. It's just 2 not the kind of test people order stat. I 3 think in an acute care setting it can be 4 difficult to collect the stool. It requires 5 cooperation of the patient to a certain extent. 6 I think in one of the depositions someone 7 talked about, you know, patients urinating in 8 the specimen, that sort of thing. 9 In an acute care setting, once the 10 specimen is sent to the lab, I expect to get a 11 result in 24 hours. 12 Q. Do you have any criticism of any 13 aspect of how long it took to get the lab 14 result in this particular case? 15 A. I think it was five days in this 16 case? The order was written on the 10th and 17 the lab received it on the 14th and I think the 18 result came back on the 15th? It's in some of 19 the exhibits. 20 Q. It was the 14th or the 15th. 21 MR. KREMER: It was on Monday. 22 THE WITNESS: So Monday was the 23 14th? 24 MR. KREMER: Correct. 25 A. It's hard to -- I mean, in the 0044 1 nursing home environment where you collect it 2 and send it off, I guess I would have thought 3 it would have been maybe one day sooner. But 4 it wasn't clear to me from the nurses' 5 depositions why they didn't get it the morning 6 of the 11th. I think they collected it on the 7 afternoon of the 11th. 8 I wasn't surprised that it wasn't 9 picked up until the next day. I think labs 10 that service nursing homes don't have a pickup, 11 and it was a weekend. You know, I would just 12 factor all that in. 13 Q. Then the question is, though, do 14 you intend to offer an opinion that either the 15 lab or the nursing staff fell below the 16 accepted standards of care in the manner in 17 which they processed that test order? 18 A. I have no opinion. 19 Q. In past cases I have had ER 20 physicians tell me that in a setting like this 21 the primary responsibility of the ER physicians 22 is to determine the acuity of the problem and 23 to make a decision whether to keep the patient 24 in the hospital or to send them home. 25 In this setting would you agree 0045 1 that that principle was applicable in the sense 2 that the ER staff obtained a battery of tests, 3 made a decision to keep the patient within I 4 think about six hours, transferred the patient 5 to the floor, and turned over care to an 6 attending? Does that seem appropriate to you? 7 MR. KREMER: Can I quote you like 8 that in your ER cases, Dave? 9 MR. KULWICKI: Well, it depends. 10 MR. KREMER: Go ahead. I'm sorry. 11 A. I think that's the fundamental 12 responsibility of the ER. There are clearly 13 cases where the ER needs to initiate therapy; 14 meningitis, pneumonia. It's a complicated 15 question. I think one of the fundamental 16 things the ER had to do is make a triage 17 decision, and depending on the clinical 18 situation, they may have some responsibility 19 for initiating therapy. 20 Q. Do you have any criticism of 21 Mrs. DeLorean or her family for any reason? 22 A. No. 23 Q. Would you have been critical of 24 Dr. Girard if she had started empiric treatment 25 for C. diff? 0046 1 A. No. 2 Q. I assume you wouldn't have been 3 critical of the ER personnel or Dr. Miller had 4 they started empiric treatment likewise? 5 A. That's correct. 6 Q. In terms of the patient's condition 7 at Copley Health Center before the transfer to 8 Akron General, can we agree that C. diff should 9 have been in the differential? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. I think that there was some 12 discussion that the primary consideration in 13 the differential while the patient was at 14 Copley Health Center was a gastroenteritis, a 15 viral gastroenteritis? 16 A. Well, I think there is three things 17 in a differential in a patient like this, more 18 than three, but viral gastroenteritis is 19 incredibly common, medications cause diarrhea, 20 and then other infections, salmonella, 21 campylobacter can occur, but C. diff would be 22 in the differential. 23 Q. Is there anything about viral 24 gastroenteritis in terms of risk factors, 25 history, or symptoms? 0047 1 A. The biggest thing I teach about 2 viral gastroenteritis is that it usually 3 doesn't last more than two or three days. It 4 usually doesn't cause high grade fever. 5 People can retch and have diarrhea 6 and they can look sick and feel sick with viral 7 gastroenteritis, but in adults the most common 8 cause of viral gastroenteritis by far is 9 norovirus named for Norwalk, Ohio, which is out 10 in that direction, I think. It's the virus 11 that made Norwalk, Ohio, famous. We describe 12 it as a self-limited illness. 13 I work with about 100 residents a 14 year in the hospital. I think in a given year 15 about half of them get norovirus, about one or 16 two of them go to the ER, and about every year 17 one gets admitted for a day or two. People can 18 look kind of sick. It's going around right 19 now. I've had quite a few friends and 20 colleagues that have had it. 21 Q. Is viral gastroenteritis typically 22 a seasonal illness? 23 A. It can be both seasonal and 24 sporadic, so it's more common in the winter, 25 but you can see it year round. 0048 1 Q. Is it typically associated with an 2 outbreak in the sense that it's going around, 3 as you say? 4 A. It can be associated with an 5 outbreak, so it's famous on cruise ships and 6 football teams, but there is a lot of sporadic 7 cases. 8 Q. You used the term that the patient 9 looked sick, and let me just ask you how you 10 would describe that. How does a patient look 11 sick? 12 A. Well, experienced clinicians, 13 whether they are nurses or doctors, I think, 14 can have some sense of whether a patient is 15 mildly, moderately, or more severely ill just 16 by being at the patient's bedside and looking 17 at them, and experienced nurses can, I think, 18 have a sense based upon their own experience, 19 their own pattern recognition of whether a 20 patient looks sick, and clinical gestalt is 21 another term that people use. 22 Q. What would be some of the 23 parameters of that appearance? 24 A. Well, somehow it's just how the 25 patient looks, how they talk to you, how they 0049 1 communicate to you, so just the way they look 2 as being at their bedside. It's one of those 3 things. It's hard to put into words. 4 Q. Would one aspect of it be their 5 color? 6 A. It can. 7 Q. Would another aspect potentially be 8 their fatigue level? 9 A. Fatigue is more of a chronic issue 10 than an acute issue. 11 Q. With C. diff would one aspect of 12 how sick the patient would be be how 13 debilitated they are by the diarrhea? 14 A. Diarrhea no matter what it's from 15 can be debilitating, especially in elderly 16 patients. That's one reason why people have 17 renewed interest in using Imodium in C. diff, 18 because in most patients the morbidity is from 19 the diarrhea, not from the more complicated 20 course. That's why there was an editorial in 21 the Journal of Clinical Infectious Diseases 22 saying we should really look at this issue, and 23 there is a clinical trial right now going on 24 about Imodium and C. diff. But no matter what 25 causes the diarrhea, that can cause morbidity. 0050 1 I think in general in C. diff, you 2 know, I've seen patients with severe toxic 3 megacolon who had no stool out, and then you 4 see patients who have pretty mild cases of 5 C. diff who have lots of stool. So there is 6 not a one-to-one correlation between the amount 7 and frequency of stool and the severity of 8 C. diff. 9 THE WITNESS: Do you mind if I grab 10 this (indicating)? 11 MR. KULWICKI: No, go ahead. 12 (Brief recess.) 13 Q. Let me just wrap up. Doctor, I 14 asked you, I believe, about your causation 15 opinions and about your standard of care 16 opinions. Are there any other opinions that 17 you feel that or that you expect to testify 18 about at trial that we have not covered yet? 19 A. I don't think so. 20 Q. Do you have any facts available to 21 you that would suggest that there was an 22 outbreak of any viral gastroenteritis in Copley 23 Health Center or in the Akron area back in 24 whenever this was, May of 2007? 25 A. I don't. Again, viral 0051 1 gastroenteritis is incredibly common, and it 2 tends to be sporadic. We had an outbreak at 3 our VA nursing home a few years ago, but I'm 4 not familiar with other nursing home outbreaks. 5 MR. KULWICKI: That's all the 6 questions that I have. Thank you. 7 MR. KREMER: We'll read. 8 (The deposition was concluded.) 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 0052 1 whereupon, counsel was requested to give 2 instruction regarding the witness's review of 3 the transcript pursuant to the Civil Rules. 4 5 SIGNATURE: 6 It was agreed by and between counsel and the 7 parties that the Deponent will read and sign 8 the transcript of said deposition. 9 10 TRANSCRIPT DELIVERY: 11 Counsel was requested to give instruction 12 regarding delivery date of transcript. 13 THE NOTARY: Mr. Kulwicki, do you 14 need to order this transcript? 15 MR. KULWICKI: Yes, no rush. 16 THE NOTARY: Mr. Kremer, do you 17 need a copy? 18 MR. KREMER: Yes. 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 0053 1 REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE 2 The State of Ohio, ) 3 SS: 4 County of Cuyahoga. ) 5 6 I, Cynthia Sullivan, RPR, a Notary 7 Public within and for the State of Ohio, duly 8 commissioned and qualified, do hereby certify 9 that the within named witness, KEITH B. 10 ARMITAGE, M.D., was by me first duly sworn to 11 testify the truth, the whole truth and nothing 12 but the truth in the cause aforesaid; that the 13 testimony then given by the above-referenced 14 witness was by me reduced to stenotypy in the 15 presence of said witness; afterwards 16 transcribed, and that the foregoing is a true 17 and correct transcription of the testimony so 18 given by the above-referenced witness. 19 I do further certify that this 20 deposition was taken at the time and place in 21 the foregoing caption specified and was 22 completed without adjournment. 23 24 25 0054 1 I do further certify that I am not 2 a relative, counsel or attorney for either 3 party, or otherwise interested in the event of 4 this action. 5 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto 6 set my hand and affixed my seal of office at 7 Cleveland, Ohio, on this ________ day of 8 ___________________, 2010. 9 10 11 12 13 ________________________________ 14 Cynthia Sullivan, Notary Public 15 within and for the State of Ohio 16 17 My commission expires October 17, 2011. 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 0055 1 DEPOSITION REVIEW CERTIFICATION OF WITNESS 2 RE: Charles DeLorean, etc., v. 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